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@Wehwalt: Since the rest of the article uses Russian-derived names, I think it makes more sense to use "Donbass" rather than "Donbas". This was changed by an editor who is now topic-banned and has a history of disruption relating to Russian/Ukrainian names. I can understand using "Donbas" in modern contexts, but in this article, it looks out of place. Thanks. Mellk (talk) 15:14, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Taubman uses "Donbas", so you are correct about that. Tompson uses "Donbass". I haven't checked the others yet.
But I am a bit confused by Taubman's usage of "Donbas". In his note on Russian and Ukrainian usage, Taubman says: "During almost the entire period covered in this book, Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire and later of the Soviet Union. In that time Russian versions of Ukrainian personal and place-names were used in official, and often in informal, discourse. For that reason, and to avoid confusing readers, I use those Russian versions. However, for books and articles published, and interviews conducted, when Ukraine was an independent state, Ukrainian place-names are used." Mellk (talk) 15:54, 3 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Thedarkknightli Please stop persisting. It's not "other stuff exists", it's literally every single article on the entire Wiki. Might as well get rid of the infobox if this article is to get special treatment. Szchalchsz (talk) 13:30, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then bring this up with every single article on English Wikipedia. Every single one. Why are you two exclusively selecting the articles of Soviet leaders? At some point, it stops being "other stuff exists" and it becomes a complete violation of Wikipedia protocol. Szchalchsz (talk) 14:41, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's inconsistency. Stalin has it, Putin has it, and Trump, Biden, Obama, Bush, Clinton and Reagan also have it. Either they should all include "was an X politician who served as...", or none of them should. I'm at least trying to make them all have it, whereas you're perpetuating inconsistency by not also removing the part from Stalin's article. Szchalchsz (talk) 15:56, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree. Stalin and Reagan are deceased, but the rest politicians you mentioned in the last comment aren't. Also, they both have >1 notable job. Thedarkknightli (talk) 16:21, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Brezhnev, Andropov and Chernenko also had more than one job. Brezhnev was a legitimate war hero, Andropov was the head of the KGB for fifteen years, et cetera. I don't see what someone being deceased has to do with anything here. Again, I'm merely asking for consistency, and nothing else. Szchalchsz (talk) 17:40, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
MOS:STYLE says,"Where more than one style or format is acceptable under the MoS, one should be used consistently within an article and should not be changed without good reason. Edit warring over stylistic choices is unacceptable." If it is not forbidden, it is acceptable, and we only need be consistent within an article. Wehwalt (talk) 16:38, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I support Szchalchsz's inclusion of the label, as well as their overall changes to the first paragraph of the lead, which was messy and front-loaded. There is a value to immediately framing the topic and consistency, which I think outweighs redundancy here. — Goszei (talk) 20:59, 19 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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